SPEAKER_02 0:00

So you're thinking about running but not sure how to take the first step? My name is Brian Patterson, and I'm here to help. Welcome to Brian's ROM pod. With some hints and tips about running, not necessarily running, this podcast. Now, today we have gone off a little bit of a tangent. We're not going to be talking about running, but walking. My guest today is none other than Stanley Stanley Bronstein, a walking and weight loss expert, and has written several books about self-improvement. I'm delighted that he has agreed to come on to the show to talk about his journey, as I know that some of you are either not fans of running, but are looking for ways to move. So welcome to the podcast, Stanley.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Much a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Very much been looking forward to speaking with you.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Thank you. Thank you. Now, I usually start um the podcast when I've got guests on on um on as to what was your kind of experience of exercise when you were growing up in high school.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Okay. My experience with exercise was I was extremely overweight and I did not do a lot of exercise. I had various times in my life where I ran a little bit, you know, like a mile here, mile there, but I did not do a lot of exercise. I mean, I've I've I've I was massively obese. See, what happened with me was my mother died when I was eight, and that messed with my head, and I was living with my massively obese father, and we both just ate and ate and ate and ate. So I was always big. So I didn't have the traditional exercise that a lot of typical teenagers would have.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Okay. Did your was your I if you don't mind me t asking, was your mum pretty much the someone who stayed at home, who did all the cooking, that kind of thing, and gave you sort of some kind of food education, or was that something that was maybe lacking or nobody gave me food education.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

That was part of the problem.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

The food education was pretty poor, and we grew up eating what tasted good, and we wanted to be. It wasn't it wasn't a lot of processed food. We didn't have that problem. But and we overeat. And and my father was a butcher. So we had I see we had we had all the meat you could inhale. It was unlimited meat. Meat, meat, meat, meat, meat, and meat meat. And we we we didn't we didn't know how to eat healthy. We were all most of the people, not everyone in my family, but my parents were both overweight. My father extremely obese. We didn't know what to do.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Right. So I understand you um you went to college and you trained as an attorney. Is that correct? When you went to university? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Actually, no, actually I trained as a CPA, as an accountant.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

All right. Okay. I trained as an accountant. And then what happened was when I was 28 years old, I was working with my older brother, one of my older brothers, and we got in an argument. And in the middle of the argument, he started screaming at me, you ought to go to law school. And I said, You know, you're absolutely right. So what I've learned from that experience is you can be have somebody yelling at you who's totally full of it, but you should listen to what they're saying because some wisdom might accidentally come out of their mouth. And so I went to law school and I've been an attorney for almost 35 years and a certified public accountant. Oh, right. I know over in the UK you call them something different. They might be chartered accountants.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Uh yeah, that's right. Chartered accountants. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Yeah, yeah, but it it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

So that so I was trained as an accountant. I've always been a systems thinker.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

I always, my whole career has been how do I take something complicated and make it as simple as possible?

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yeah. So you break things down.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Yeah. And we're gonna we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

We'll get into that later on. So you just mentioned there, and I was going to talk about it, that if you had any siblings, so you said you had an older brother. I have three older brothers. You've got three older brothers, so were they going through the same dietary challenges as yourself and and your family?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

At the time, you know, one of them, young the one, the one who was nine years older than me, was probably overweight, but it really, as he got older, he became obese and he actually died from heart problems when he turned 60. And the other one is now he's in his, he's um close to 75, and he um he's overweight. He he won't he won't admit it. And if I talk to him about it, he says don't he don't want to discuss it. But he he's in denial. He he eats at restaurants all the time and that type of thing. So and then and then my oldest brother, who's 81, is he's not a marathon, he's run a marathon, but he's not a marathon or he's into rowing. Okay. And he is Whole Foods plant-based eating like I am. Okay. So we're we're we're both pretty hardcore, you know, and and and honestly, it shows because for for 81 year old, you know, how many 81-year-old men do you know can go on the rowing machine and put in a two-hour stint on the rowing machine? Not many.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

No. No. I don't know any. But that's pretty good. But had he had heard of it.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Sorry, let me say one thing. But when I talk about difference in training regimens, he has beat his body up so badly. He's had all these surgeries and all these injury issues. And I've been fortunate that I have not, and that's one of the reasons that's one of the things I'll talk about when if we get into my training. I'll tell you my training philosophy on how to avoid injury yet still be fit. And I have discussions with him about that all the time. But part of the problem is he's addicted to it. I mean, not not I mean, I'm addicted to it also, but he is addicted to it and he doesn't want to change, even though he's beating himself to bits.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Yeah, because I've I've well, uh just as a side note, we all I was at the at the gym a couple of hours ago and I did a little bit of running, a bit of rowing and whatever. And you can, if you're not doing it properly, you can't feel it in your lower back.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

But obviously he's I mean he's obviously for quite a while.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

He's had so many injuries over the years, he's just he's beat up. I mean, he's got he's got a heart, his heart is better than most he's got a heart of a marathon runner. Yeah. He's got a heart of an Olympic marathon runner. I mean, his resting heart rate is like 45.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

He's got the heart of an Olympic marathon runner, but the skeletal structure of a 110-year-old man and muscles. Because he's beat up. But I know. And that happened. Running, we'll do that. He used to run many years ago. Running, that's fan of the earls of running.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

You know.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

Yeah. So moving back to you is I read um an article on Medium. I think you did an interview with someone, and you got up to three, well, um, over here we do stones and pounds, 360 uh pounds. So you're showing up a showing a photograph of it here. And I'll put a put the photograph up on the um on the description, podcard description. And I can see that you are so you're 20 well, uh here in our units it's like 26 pounds and 26 stone and one pound, which is big. Which is big.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

I I I was a big boy.

unknown 8:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

But I've lost 102 kilos. Although I know you're not you're not metric, but I've lost 102 kilos.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Yeah. But I mean, the you said it was, you know, you you got up one one day, and then you kind of turn over to your wife, and then you said, then I need to lose this weight. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 8:42

I those weren't the word. The words I used were, I'm cooked. Fir first of all, before then, when I was laying in bed, I was thinking to myself, you know, when you're getting ready to turn, I don't know how old you are, but when you're when men are getting ready to turn 50 and women too, you start you do a lot of things. I'm 63. So I'm 66. You do you do a lot of things. You don't look 63, you look young. Thank you very much. Um it's all that running. So I thought to myself, where am I going to be in five years if I keep doing what I'm doing? And I did not like the answer. Because you know what the answer was?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

The answer was, I was going to be dead.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

That that's I huh? Usually people, a doctor, someone else would tell you that and say, if you carry on doing what you're doing, but this this is something you told yourself. It was kind of like you looked yourself in the mirror and it was something that you told yourself.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Yeah, I I knew I was gonna be dead. I mean, and and that's not the first time I've been thinking about this. You know, I have been thinking about it many times over the years, and I had actually lost weight many times over the years, but then I would go back to my old habits and put the weight back on. But and and that but it was only when I made the changes and made them permanent and did not go back to my old habits that the weight stayed off. But no, I said I'm gonna be dead. As I like to tell people, I wasn't committing suicide by putting a gun to my head, but I was committing slow aside.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

I was slowly eating myself.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

But you might as well have been. It was like you were slowly pulling the trigger.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah, really. This would have been faster and messier. But I'm not trying to make fun of it. I'm just, you know. No, no, no, I understand. But so I said, I'm done. And I told my wife, I'm done. I'm cooked. I'm gonna start making changes right now. I'm gonna start learning to eat better right now. I'm gonna start exercising every day. I'm gonna try to exercise every day, and my exercise of choice is going to be walking. I picked walking because you can you don't need any special equipment other than shoes. You can do it almost anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

And it doesn't beat your body up as much as a lot of other forms of exercise. So I said, I'm gonna pick walking. And so I, and and I told my wife, I'm going on a journey. And you may, and you, and I'm gonna make some changes, and you might like them or you might not like them. And I said, and if you don't like them, and this is cold heart, I said, if you don't like them, I don't care. I said, I have to make these changes or I'm going to be dead. And I'm going on a journey, and I invite you to come along with me. And I hope you do, but if you don't, I don't care. And just so you know, before we go any further, we're still married. Yeah, you know, I'll tell you that. But I was that that was a day of cold, hard truth, and it's it's almost exactly my 17th anniversary. It's February 1st, 2009. Today's January 16th. So two weeks, I will be walking a marathon on my 17th rebirthday.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

It's like an evangelical, the way you talk about it, it's it sounds very evangelical.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

It's like I had an epiphany.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Yes, exactly. That's that's probably the better way of putting it.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, I did. You know, I mean, I mean, the word the words I used, I mean, do you want to hear the actual words I used, or or is your podcast. You can. No, we can go, we can go there. I sat there and I told my wife, I said, I'm I'm gonna stop tolerating bullshit in my life.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Great. That's fine. Yeah, I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

And the number one person I'm gonna stop tolerating it from is myself. So I took personal responsibility. I didn't blame her. I didn't blame anybody else. I didn't even blame myself. Because blame is irrelevant. All that matters is what do you need to do and are you going to do it? Blame just keeps you in the past and causes nothing but problems. It's what do you need to do and are you gonna do it? And the funny thing is, I didn't realize that I was creating a system at the time I was doing this. It just sort of grew out of it. Because what happened was I made the changes, and then afterwards I decided, because I'm a systems thinker, I decided let me put this into a system so that other people can use it to make changes in their life. And what I tell people is, I tell people, my story is weight loss. Your story may be something totally different. This is not a weight loss system, but it works great with weight loss. It is a system to take your life and make it excellent. Not perfect, but to make it excellent, no matter what it is you want to do. And when I started making those changes, right away I started doing three things, nutrition-wise. The first thing I did was I quit drinking. I used to drink scotch every day. I won't say I was an alcoholic. I don't know if I was an alcoholic or not, but I know I was drinking. No, no, no. I know I was drinking too much. And I and I know that it did not serve me. I was serving it. So I just I threw it away and I said I'm done. I haven't had a drink in 17 years. And I and I honestly I don't miss it. And the funny thing is, when you go to partings and other people are drinking, it makes the party much more interesting when you're not because you see the way they act. But so I quit drinking, I quit drinking soda, soda pop. Those those two those two-liter bottles. Yes, I know, yeah. I was drinking three of them a day. That's bad. And then the other thing I did was I quit eating beef and pork. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

So I didn't go vegetarian, but I quit eating beef and pork, and I always liked chicken and turkey anyway. So I would eat chicken, turkey, and eggs. Do you have fish? Do you like fish? No, I've never liked fish. So that was not an issue. Um then I kept moving. I would have days where I didn't want to get up and walk at all. So what I'd use to motivate myself, there was a woman I met back in 2007, two years earlier. Her name was Peggy Chun. She had ALS, Lou Gehrig's disease. I don't know if she was. Yes. Yeah. She was completely bedridden on a ventilator. She could not speak. The only way she could communicate, people who were trained would hold up a chart with letters on it, and they could read her eye movements and she could spell out words and she could communicate that.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

I interviewed her for a book I was writing, and it took like two hours to get a 20-minute interview. But when I looked at her, I said to myself, if I ever get like that, please put a pillow over my head and take me out. But that was not her attitude. Her attitude was she had the most incredible joy for life of anyone I've ever seen. She said, My grandkids are coming over today. We're going to paint and we're going to go out to the park. And they would take her in the park in the wheelchair, and we're going to go have fun. And I told her about the trip where I was going to be driving around most of the United States to interview 50 other people. And she said, Oh, I wish I could go with you. That sounds like so much fun. So when I had mornings where I did not want to get up and walk, you know, you ever heard the saying, What would Jesus do? No, I haven't heard it, but I've heard it now. They say, you know, when you're trying to model your behavior and you want good behavior, they go, What would Jesus do in this situation?

SPEAKER_02 16:28

So I said sometimes they people sometimes people talk about it as someone who they might admire. What would so and so do? Yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

So what I did what I did was I said, what would Peggy Chun do? When I when I didn't want to get up and walk, I said, what would Peggy Chun do? This woman who was on a ventilator, completely bedridden. And the answer I came up with is that Peggy Chun would have gotten her lazy ass out of bed and she'd have gone for a walk and she might not ever come back because she was having so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

So I'd get up and I'd go walk. And I started doing that and I'd walk anyway. And now my motto is if I have a day where I don't feel like walking, that means I need to do it twice. You know, just do it. But that but those things I told myself because so much of life, running included, and it it's mental.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Yes, that's very true.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Ask any marathoner, ask him is it mental.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

You know, ask Elliot Kipchogi if it's mental. You know, sure it is. Um so I I this went on for like five years, and I started losing weight, and I was gradually increasing my walking. I've I've sent you the chart, you know, you saw it gradually started increasing. And I just one day I said, I'm gonna go vegetarian. I gave up chicken and turkey. I still kept eating eggs and cheese and butter and dairy. I'm more or less one vegetarian. That was about a little over 12 years ago, 12 and a half years ago. And I started losing more weight, and that went on for five years. Then I got to the point where I could not get the last 40 or 50 pounds off, and my weight was fluctuating, it wasn't stable. It would go up 10 pounds, up 20 pounds, down 10 pounds, up and back, it wasn't stable, and I could not get the weight off all while I was walking 15 miles, 10 to 15 miles a day, 20 to 25 kilometers every day. And I couldn't get the weight off. So I said, I'm doing something wrong here. Yeah, yeah. So one of the things I learned was you cannot exercise your way out of a poor diet.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

You cannot exercise your way out of a poor diet. So I said, My diet, there's something I'm still doing wrong. So I gave up bread, butter, cheese, and ice cream. And you know what happened? I lost 50 pounds in like five minutes. I mean, the weight I just melted, the weight came off of me. Just and so I said that's what I was doing wrong.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

So, so since that date, it's been about so you kept the walking obviously consistent in terms of the mileage. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

And if anything, I've had periods where the walking's increased. I mean, last year was the most walking I've done since 2015. I had, I just I felt good last year, and I said, I'm gonna up this a little bit. And I like to challenge, and I wanted to see what a 66-year-old man could do. And I mean, you had seen this. This is how much walking I did last year.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

So you're just putting up a picture here going from across the United States, and that's 5,166.5. Middle of the Atlantic, yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Yeah. You know, I was on my way to London. And and to put it another way, if you take the Earth, the circumference of the Earth, the equator, this June, I will have completed my third trip around the earth over the last 17 years.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

That's a lot of walking.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

But that is a lot of walking, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

That's why when you're ready, I want to contrast my training, talking about my training with a runner's training. You know, why I do what I do and how I do it. And one of the issues I ran into when I started out on this journey, for my 50th birthday, my wife sent me to a resort where I went there for a week, and there were trainers there who were white, who were watching, they were talking to me about my training habits. And they they all told me the same thing. They said, Stanley, you're doing this wrong. They said, you're walking for hours. You only need to walk for 20, 30 minutes, and you need to do it much faster. You're not getting your heart rate up.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

And they all told me that. And I said, that's not the way I want to exercise. I said, when I said, when I exercise like that, it tears me up.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

It hurts. I don't want to exercise that way. So so I stubbornly kept doing what I was doing. All I know is over the last 17 years, I've walked 2,000 miles. My blood pressure went from probably 180 over 130 to 95 over 55 with no drugs. Yeah. And I lost all this weight and kept it off. I just went, I had my physical two days ago. I went to the doctor, got all my blood work done.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Blood work is fantastic. I I have the blood work of a 30 year old. I have a healthy 30 year old.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

And but I'm doing it wrong. Yeah. So so that so that's another thing I've learned out of this experience is you have to do what you think is right. Yes, that's right. Yeah. And that experts are not always right. Yes. And I'm and I'm saying that as an expert. I I I'm an expert attorney, I'm an expert accountant, and I like to think I'm a walking expert. And I will admit I'm not always right and I don't know everything.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Yeah. And I think, especially if it's something you enjoy, like for instance, I enjoy doing this podcasting. I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with running. But the thing is, is that I but I like learning, doing the podcast can podcast be my own way, sort of thing. And if people say, well, you're doing it wrong, then I don't care. Because I've been doing it, doing the podcast doing this podcast since January 2023. And if anything, it's like you said, it's that journey. It's the way part of it is not just obviously you had very certain goals or whatever, but at the same time, you you've you've learned things about yourself along the way.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Yeah, and that's all part and that's all part of it. You know, I put it, Brian, I say that when you walk as much as I do, you meet some very interesting people. And the most interesting person you're going to meet is yourself. Seriously, you're going to meet yourself. And and I'll tell you other things you get from walking. You would be surprised how much money I find just walking, going around in various places. I find money on the ground, I find this here, I find that there. And I always say if I'm walking somewhere where I don't normally walk, and I find money on the ground, it means I was supposed to be there. I was supposed to be there to pick it up. And you meet all these people, and it's enjoyable. And see, and that's one exercise benefit. I had this discussion with um, there's a um Whole Foods plant-based physician um in the States named Joel Kahn Cage. And I was having a discussion with him, and he was talking about the same thing exercise really hard 20, 30 minutes. Which is which it's good for you. I won't deny that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

But I but I tried to explain to him that there is a mental aspect to walking as long as I do. You there, you clear your head. As I tell people, one of the things, one of the things I do when I'm out walking is I live in the desert. So I will build things out of rocks. I will build like walking labyrinths out of rocks, structures, cairns out of rocks, various things. And I tell people, they'd look at that stuff and they'd go, this is lovely. And I go, it's made up of three kinds of rocks. It's made up of regular rocks. It's made up of white quartz rocks, which we have a lot of around by me, and it's made up of the rocks that fall out of my head while I'm building it. You know, so it's there, there's a therapeutic aspect. You've heard of a runner's high. Yes. You know, there's a walker's high, too. It just might take longer. I mean, I'll I'll give you an example the other day. My wife had to go to the eye doctor and they were going and they were going to dilate her eyes. So when they're going to dilate her eyes, I take her to the doctor because I don't want her driving home when her eyes are dilated. So when we're driving over there, she's all upset. I don't want to go there. I hate these appointments and everything else. We got there early. We got there an hour early. So we parked the car and we went for a walk in the neighborhood over by the doctor's office. And we did like a 30-minute walk. And we came back and she said, I feel so much better now. She says, I should do this every time I have a doctor's appointment. I should go for a walk before then. And I said, Yes, you should, and I'll be happy to do it with you. So that's part of it. I mean, I walk because I think running, and I think especially at my age, I think running would tear me to bits. And I have no interest in being torn up.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

I don't want to do that because I want to live a very long, very healthy life. See, my philosophy is, you know, you ever heard the phrase play the long game? Yes. I'm not playing the long game. I'm playing the ultra long game. I want to, one of my goals is to be the oldest man in the world. Yeah. You know, and to be healthy while you're doing it. Or I heard a story. There was a gentleman, I think he was Ukrainian many years ago. At the time he was the oldest man in the world. I think he was 105.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

And you know how he died? He died falling off his roof when he was repairing his roof.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Right.

unknown 27:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

I want to be the 105-year-old man who's up on.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Yeah. I mean, there was some story of this Indian marathon runner who was, I think, 100 or something like that. I mean, he was uh and and I think he got um I got hit by a hit run or something like that, and I think he died, but he was still running till, I don't know, well in his 90s or may he might have been a hundred, I'm not sure, but he was He was impressed. He was very impressive. Yeah. I mean, we can tell obviously by your accent that you're an American.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

And I always I know through people who've ever been to the States and that kind of thing, that in the scenery cities, sometimes getting around is only by using a vehicle or whatever. Is it is that right?

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Yeah, yes, it is, but a lot of what I do is in the gym on a treadmill, and I have a treadmill at home with a computer hooked up to it, and when you walk as slowly as I do, you can work while you're on the treadmill.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

While you're on the treadmill. And so I do a lot of that. Yes, you're right. A lot of the states is by vehicle. And but it's funny, uh, I was in London six months ago, uh, five, six months ago, and your streets look pretty busy to me, too. Um, although there were obviously out in the country, it's not as bad. But I was telling you, we were staying over by St. Pancras, and we went my wife wanted to go to Notting Hill because she saw in the States, she saw on a cooking show, she saw a scone place called Cheeky Scones that was up that was over in Notting Hill, and she says, I have to have one of those.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

So we we were gonna take the tour bus, the double deck tour bus, over there, and the bus was so slow because it kept stopping us. Let's just get out and walk.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

So we walked all the way to Notting Hill, and we went and and to show you what you discover when you're walking, pitching up on Kensington Park.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Yes. Well, I I know that because I used to work in Islington, which is just a little north of St. Pegras, and I used to walk all the way to Marble Arch, which is where I was living at the time. Because it was like if you the the bus was going at a snail's pace, and then so you might as well just get out and walk. You see people and you know, and look at things and or we listen to music and that kind of things.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Yeah. Yes, and it was it was lovely. I mean, the things you come up on when you're out there on foot that you don't mean you may not see when you're driving, or you may not enjoy when you're driving. That, but that that day turned into a lovely experience. We met two or three very wonderful people when we were walking through Kensington Park and talking with them. She got her cheeky scones and she was happy, and everybody was happy, and I got my walking in, and she did it too. And it's a good activity to do with your spouse.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Well, I'll tell you what, I'll yeah, I'll give her a tip, give her a tip that if you do come over to England again and you want to go to get scones, go to Devlin and Cornwall, which is basically on the southwest of England, because that's where the best scones are.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Well, now that I know you, and when we go back there, I'll just drop you a notes. We go. You know, I I didn't have anybody. No, no, no, but no. Yeah, but that's funny. I'll tell you the scones that she got, when she ate them, she said, these are different than what I'm used to in the States. I said, Yes, they are, but she bought a box to go to go with her.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

Okay. And she let those sit out overnight, and she ate them the next morning, and she liked them better the next morning because they got harder, which was more what she was used to. And so she enjoyed she enjoyed it better the second day than the first day.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

I will get back to the walking, but there is a debate in Devon whether you have the jam on top of the cream or the cream on top of the jam. So there's a debate between Devon and Cornwall. So when next time you love to.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

And I will tell you to skip the cream and to skip the jam because they're both delicious and neither one's healthy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

In this episode of Brian's Romport, I take a detour from our usual running discussions to delve deeper into the world of walking with my guest Stanley Bronstein. Stanley, a walking and weight loss expert, shares his incredible journey from being overweight to embracing walking as a transformative lifestyle. He opens up about the pivotal moment that sparked his change, the challenges he faced, and the mental and physical benefits he discovered along the way. Together we explore the therapeutic nature of walking, the importance of personal responsibility, and how this simple activity can lead to profound self discovery. Join us for part two next week as we uncover the power of walking and the lessons it can teach us and about life and health. So, till then, goodbye for now.