Speaker 1: 0:00

So you're thinking about running but not sure how to take the first step. My name is Brian Patterson and I'm here to help. Welcome to Brian's Rompod. Welcome back to brian's front pod and it's me, your host, brian patterson, with you today in the second part of my chat with hannah mulhern, the host of do epic shit today podcast, will compare the mental toughness of running on a treadmill to the exhilarating freedom of running outdoors with beautiful, serene scenery. The metaphor also applies to Hannah's personal journey. After feeling stuck in a corporate job, hannah found inspiration through podcasting and running. As the podcast grew, it became a platform to share stories of hope and motivation, reaching out to people who felt stuck in their careers.

Speaker 1: 1:07

I really do hope you enjoy our chat. Uh, me doing four or five k on a treadmill is a love for me, because I know you really do need to have that, um, uh, that mental focus on the treadmill because it is, it can be mentally uh so distracted. It's a lot harder, whereas you know if you're outside, then you can see people, you know trees, you know distractions, that kind of thing. It seems a lot easier, whereas I think you, um, you know if you're doing on a treadmill, although I did notice that I think the treadmill is looking out to. I don't know, is it looking overlooking a beach or something like that? I don't know. I mean, am I got it wrong?

Speaker 2: 1:51

no, it's, you're close. I'm close to the beach, but not where I'm looking out at the beach. That's that's. That's that's like a goal right there. That's the personal goal. Where my I'm looking at a video now is um. It looks out over like our apartment okay complex pool.

Speaker 2: 2:06

It's a really lovely pool we have. We live in a very um nice, nice place that has a pool and palm tree, so like it looks like the beach, but not quite. It's not a bad view at all. I get on that tram. I'm like damn, this doesn't suck whereas where am I?

Speaker 1: 2:23

at my local gym? I just see I'm. It's basically the treadmills are around a pool, but I'm just looking over the. The on the other side of the of the gym is basically it's a gym class, so it's still and it's very dark, so it's just, um, yeah anyway. Um, so you decided to start a podcast and I think you're kind of nearly 100 episodes. Is that right? Or is it 80 episodes or something like that?

Speaker 2: 2:58

We're at. I'm planning for 75. Yeah, go out next week. We're getting close, yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:04

So what made you start? Great question.

Speaker 2: 3:09

I was in. I worked for a large corporate company, I had been running for my first marathon, but I felt very stuck. I felt very much in a rat race where I didn't have control over my career because I was working my ass off. But I was told you know, we don't do promotions at this time. I was just in a place where I felt like I needed some inspiration, and so I went in the mountains in Big Bear, which is just inland of LA, for a weekend. I just kind of walked through and was like, hey, what am I just asking? What am I supposed to be? I know there's more to it than this. What am I supposed to be doing?

Speaker 2: 3:53

And I just sort of had this inclination to reach out to people, and reach out to people online. I live in LA, so I'm surrounded by a lot of inspirational people, people that inspired me to run my first marathon in 2023, people that inspire me to push myself, and so I had these conversations that were super organic and I was like, oh okay, so this is what? You're a lawyer, but you're training for a 50K and that's super cool and what do you do? I just had a friend and was surrounded by a community where they have their thing that pays the bills, their side hustle that they work towards and invest time in, that will hopefully take over the corporate and then they're running.

Speaker 1: 4:31

But a lot of people I was surrounded by it wasn't just one corporate thing- Okay, so they had their own job, but they also wanted, they had something else that they could explore, that they wanted to explore. There's something else, um, they could explore that.

Speaker 2: 4:48

They want to explore it, so um could be like a startup or it could be and anything, but they were also running as well yeah, yeah, and so it was just through a running community and just being afraid, not being afraid to just ask random people that I saw online, you know. Hey, like I see that you're doing this is like just recognizing that just because you're in, and this is no dig to anyone in a corporate job, cause I think sometimes, like to me, for some people that's like the dream is to have that stability and I think that's amazing, but it's not for everyone. And for me, I like to know that my, when I work my ass off and I asked for promotion, it's not going to be. I could promote myself.

Speaker 2: 5:28

I could do something in my own channel or my own realm of energy or entrepreneurship where I'm going to get out what I put in, and that's such a cool thing to have, thing to have. And so the podcast just through talking to people, I was like I'm learning so much about other people that are doing so many crazy cool things, whether it's running or starting a business. What if I shared this for someone else who also might feel stuck? And so that's sort of how the podcast came to be where it was just I'm just going to share these really cool conversations and hopefully it helps someone and inspires someone to feel like they have the ability to change the life their life if it's not exactly what they want yeah, and at the same time, well, like me, why I do this is I'm learning as well.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Yeah, and what was um from one podcaster to another? What were those early days like, I mean?

Speaker 2: 6:26

Oh, my God.

Speaker 1: 6:27

Can you listen? I mean, can you listen to yourself those early ones, Would you?

Speaker 2: 6:31

would you? I still have a hard time listening to myself. I still like, oh God, did I really?

Speaker 1: 6:37

say that I didn't really, or like you'll look back and you'll listen. You're like oh my.

Speaker 2: 6:44

God. Well, I hope you listen to this one anyway. Of course I will. Of course I will Just from like trying to figure out how to even host.

Speaker 1: 6:51

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:53

How to even. Okay, you can record it, but what's a hosting website? Yeah, okay, how do I upload just the audio? The audio is good. And then you have to figure there's no guidebook on how to release a podcast that fits what you're trying to do. You have to fail at it first, and I failed at it a lot. I remember, like the first eight episodes, I had like a document, like okay, I go to here, I download that, cause I just it was so difficult to remember, so the logistics part. And then just I still to this day, get nervous before recording with someone because it's just, you know, you want it to go well, you're so appreciative. That person hopping on, like I was nervous coming on today because I'm so thankful that you want me to be on here and I hope it's everything that you hope it is well, yeah, I mean I'm nervous and excited, so that's you know, I think that's great so that never.

Speaker 2: 7:40

really that hasn't gone away. But the first and the title even do epic shit. Today I remember looking at my husband and I was like I'm going to name this do epic shit. Today he was like, go for it. I'm like, okay, like that was pretty much the conversation about naming the pod, like it was just a so organic, like hey, here's these conversations, and then I just it, the, the love of it has just transformed to a place of like. I hope I can help as many people as I can to not feel stuck, because feeling stuck sucks, it's a terrible feeling, yeah, very helpless, not in control, and so if you can hear people that are doing things, maybe it might, it might help, yeah, yeah I mean on the name.

Speaker 1: 8:23

I mean I think it's a great name because it really does grab your attention and your husband's right. So it certainly does.

Speaker 2: 8:30

It's rather it's better than you know, run with hannah odd, you know see, I just, I don't know like, maybe when you started like the brian's run pod, like you have a, a concept of what you want it to be. My thing do epic shit today was I know I need to get these first couple episodes out. I don't know what this is going to turn into. So we're going to make this do epic shit today and it could have running business owners, uh, you know, uh, world activists. I don't. I didn't know and I wanted it to be. I wanted the podcast to tell me, through having people on, what it needed to transform into, and so I picked the. Do I pick shit today? Because I didn't want it to be just one thing, I want it to be. Here's this conversation of like I've had therapists on talking about mental health and then I've had the starter of trapika, who's like an australian entrepreneur, who's it's a nutritional and health and wellness brand.

Speaker 1: 9:26

Like it's just it's become its own thing, I had a nike athlete. Yeah, um yeah, he was an english guy who lived in costa rica, which I thought was quite interesting. Yeah, so it's amazing people on yeah, yeah, so, uh, yeah, I kind of um interesting because he did the length of britain, didn't he? Uh, from johnna groats to uh land's end, yeah, so then yeah yeah, that's, that's right.

Speaker 1: 9:58

um, uh, although there was one particular interview that you did with a guy who did the startup, I was a bit confused about what it was about the running community startup. I wasn't sure whether it was a community of runners who gave advice to people who wanted to start up things.

Speaker 2: 10:21

Is that right? Yes, that was my most recent. It was Darius with Run Tech Club yeah, run Tech Club, that's it yep.

Speaker 2: 10:28

So his was so interesting because I was still even on that interview trying to understand exactly, and I've had someone on where I was like this is so new, like I'm still trying to figure this out, and I thought that was such a cool. But basically what it is is it's a membership or community of people where, like, their first priority is they're starting a business, they're an entrepreneur, but they run as their office hours, so like, rather than grabbing a beer after work, they're going for a run. That's basically what it?

Speaker 2: 11:01

is and I hope I'm saying this right and then, on top of that, there's opportunities for um you know, meetups, which he calls vision labs, where you can learn from other people like wmba about like how to properly look back at you know past experiences and take wins and losses. They're also known as like game regals, so for them it's entrepreneur first, but the only and like having collaborative opportunities where he can work with entrepreneurs on how to pitch properly, how to get funding, because he's an entrepreneur himself yeah it's just.

Speaker 2: 11:36

Rather than go for a pint after work, they go for a run on friday mornings yeah, yeah so it's more doing healthy and holistic things on the side to. That will again transpire to what's going on over here, which is starting a company yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:52

So on those 70 odd episodes, do you have a favorite one? I know that's hard. It's like choosing your children, it really is so. Do you have a special guest, or you know? It could have been an episode that you've just done on your own.

Speaker 2: 12:16

It's crazy because I, being a host and I'm sure you feel this too like out of anyone out of any any listener you actually learn the most. Um, so each episode has its own plethora of nuggets that I get to take from it. I think for one I'll give you a couple.

Speaker 2: 12:35

I don't think I have yeah, no, that's fine I'll give you a couple, because each episode like I learned something different about like and I actually use it. Um, I've had people on the podcast like andrew glaze. Um, I had another podcaster distance to empty podcast and they really taught me not to take it so seriously like these long, because at that point I've been training for 100k not to take the long runs like, don't take it so seriously, work your ass off. But then it's not the end of the like, it's. It is everything in regards to what you're putting all your energy into. Yeah, but it's not that big of a deal. In like the best ways, like, take the, the pressure off, enjoy what you're doing. Yeah, live it, love it. So that was something I learned from both of them.

Speaker 2: 13:30

Um, I had, um, I would say, an episode that still sticks with me right now. The most is the episode that I had with Jordan Anderson. He finished 100 Mile, I think the same weekend that I was able to finish mine, and he talked about kind of navigating the space after you know, graduating, high school, pressure for people to go to college, not feeling like. He felt like he fit in with like following the trend of like going to college, getting a corporate job and he was in a place where he just felt super uninspired maybe is not the right word, but again there's that word stuck and he had found um nick bear. I don't know if you're familiar with nick bear, founder of bpn supplements or bpn. All right, fellow endurance athlete, just a hardcore dude from like yeah, nick Bear, I don't know if you're familiar with Nick Bear founder of BPN Supplements or BPN All right.

Speaker 2: 14:17

Fellow endurance athlete. Just a hardcore dude from like, started the company from his parents' home, just a cool, inspirational guy and from there just wanted to push himself by getting influenced by these go-getters and people like Nick Bear to try and push himself with running, with starting his own company. And the biggest thing was he reminded me about journaling, and that's something that's very important to me because I think it's nice to be able to, before the day starts and gets hectic, get out on a piece of paper what you need to get out and remember what your life is about, what's important to you setting intentions and that I used to do that.

Speaker 2: 14:57

yeah, and as life happens, habits change and since having him on the podcast, I've been journaling more and it's completely shifted my life back where it needs to be so it's not exactly a diary, because a diary is something that you know, you've, you know, at the end of the day, but it's something at the beginning of the day.

Speaker 1: 15:18

It's kind of putting down your thoughts and is that you would you? And what were your intentions so that that may include running, it may and it may be about your day ahead or whatever yeah, because he's a multi-facet.

Speaker 2: 15:31

I mean we all are, but he. I have different guests on the show to talk about different things. Sometimes it it's just running, sometimes it's the entrepreneur mindset. You know you're starting a business, oh, and you're a runner. Let's talk about that, because they usually bleed to each other. He was similar in that boat. Has his own company Just finished 100 miler? But it was refreshing to like. Before you grab your phone and look at it, before you respond to a work email, before you are reactive to the world around, you take, grab a cup of coffee maybe not, if that's not your thing, but grab a piece of paper or, like I have a, it's like a journal or it could be a diary or whichever and put your intentions down for the day. What are your intentions for the day, what are you looking to do today? And it puts you back in the driver's seat of your day, so that you're proactive on what your day is going to look like rather than reactive of what happens to you.

Speaker 2: 16:26

It just flips the mental script before things start getting really hectic, and that I found to be pretty impactful.

Speaker 1: 16:33

So do you think before that you're on the back foot? Do you think because you said're on the back?

Speaker 2: 16:37

foot. Do you think um? Because you said you were kind of being reactive as opposed to being right. Yeah, so you do I wouldn't, say the back foot it was. I have all of these balls. I'm trying to juggle the podcast, my work, my personal training, right. 100 mile, 100k is no. Yeah, just got married this year or last year, in 2020.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Congratulations.

Speaker 2: 17:01

Thank you. Socially, trying to stay sort of in the loop, so it was just like I've got all of this shit in the air. Yeah, so it's more of just trying to keep everything afloat.

Speaker 1: 17:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:11

So maybe a bit on the back foot versus by journaling in the morning. These are the things I want to make sure I do today, because the podcast is important, this is important, like it put a perspective on I'm doing this today, this is important versus oh shit, this is happening, I need to fix this. It just not quite planning like planning out your week. It's mentally, mentally what am I going to focus on today?

Speaker 1: 17:42

what am I going to show up today as something still sort of popped into my head is that I know you said, um, there was uh a time you were, uh was suffering from anxiety. Is that right in your high school? Thanks, is that? Was that a lack of confidence? And as you got older, you've built that confidence I think it's great.

Speaker 2: 18:09

I, I and the reason I'm so open to talk about it is I needed someone to be open to talk about it when I was going through it yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:15

I think now you see more athletes being open about the ramifications of their sport on their mental health. But I think, like 2020 or 2013 and 2017, when I was really in a dark place, I was looking for like I can't be the only one who's doing this and I came up blank. So for me, I was put on anxiety medication my junior year of college because I was struggling mentally being on this strict, insane schedule practice, school, gym, home to study, eat, go to bed, get up in the morning, do it again. And I was just survival mode and I didn't have the One of my podcast guests. He said don't call it tools, because it's not like.

Speaker 2: 18:58

It's a tool you use. It's something that you use every day. Use it, think of it as like a pen, like you write with a pen every day. You don't use a hammer every day. So, anyway, I didn't really have the resources to battle the anxiety and stress on my own. So that was what the medication was for and I stayed on that medication. I tried to come off of it the year after and I didn't wean off of it properly because you're supposed to take your time getting off of it because it affects your brain, right, you have all of these cortisol and you're blocking them, so you're affecting your brain chemistry If you come off of it too soon right, so it is a chemical.

Speaker 2: 19:37

Yeah, it's yes, yes, okay and so you want to be mindful, you want to have a psychiatrist do this with you because it's a. You don't want to go from zero to 100, um, and I didn't go zero to 100, but I didn't do. I didn't. I was on the, the most medication you could be prescribed to half and then done in like two weeks, which is what you're not supposed to do. So I recently and I talked about this one in my episodes I recently, in August, fully through the help of a psychiatrist, over eight weeks, weaned off my anxiety medication and now I have the tools. But back then, yeah, yeah, what you mentioned about confidence, self-worth, self-belief yeah, self-belief was not there.

Speaker 2: 20:24

Yeah, and I'm. I still work on it every day. Yeah, I think you know a lot of things happen when you're a kid parents aren't together, putting yourself. Uh, you know, you wonder why, if you're the reason why there's just. You know every, every person has a past that can filter who you are as a human and big believer in in therapy and meditation and journaling. But I think I wouldn't say the self-confidence is where I'd like it to be, but I think it's better than where it was six years ago to be, but I think it's better than where it was six years ago. And so the journaling and the um getting a better grip on your day because you're in the driver's seat helps manage that stress and like how running helps with that as well because I well thinking about it now is.

Speaker 1: 21:10

I asked that question because when I was growing up in um, well, senior school, I mean, I was on um medication for epilepsy and that affected um, and when they were trying to find the right medication, um, I was totally out of it sort of thing. So and in my epilepsy growing up, um, it's quite bad, but the one thing that really helped was basketball and the guy who you need, someone like a coach or someone to believe in you that you're worth being, you know, in the team. So you were really successful and you know, and that helped. That really helped. I mean, academically I didn't do very well, but that's a by and by. But you know it wasn't until I left school and went to uni.

Speaker 1: 22:07

Then I eventually did an MBA and whatever, but yeah, it did. You know, going through that time and maybe I mean this was like 40 years ago or something like that but going through that time, you know, my confidence was really rock bottom and it's just interesting what you were saying there and I don't know whether there was enough there. Obviously, at that time it was a very different day at times. You know, they didn't have people talking about mental health and that sort of thing, uh, or whether you had the support yourself um to highlight you know this thing for you I also didn't know how to ask for help yeah, I finally went to a therapist.

Speaker 2: 22:54

Like this can not be normal. Getting out of bed and spiraling at 4am every morning before practice, this like this can't be normal. So, like that realization and then going to talk to someone was I was so in my head like this why is this just affecting me? Because it just wasn't talked about. We just didn't talk about like, are you a shell of a human? Because I am, and I didn't feel comfortable enough. You say, like the self-confidence. I already had a lack of self-confidence. I had the persona I'd put on when I had my basketball shoes, which, like this basketball player who was really, really good and yeah, that had my persona. Yeah, then there was me, yeah, and there wasn't really anyone talking about like, hey, are you okay? Because I'm barely hanging on. I didn't have that um, and so talking to the therapist or I can't remember she's a therapist, or and then bringing in a psychologist I'm not exactly sure on the labels and I don't want to say them incorrectly, because I know each person has a different certification for prescribing medication.

Speaker 2: 24:03

But just the asking for help, like this right, and then just finally going to someone and being like, okay, lack of self-confidence, lack of a human need, help, like it had gotten to that point and I'm so glad that I did that and that's why I'm such like I come on here and I want to talk about it, because I think it could help someone, yeah, who might feel alone, and I hate that for them.

Speaker 1: 24:26

So because you're not, you're not, you know and you know, and um, and I think well, well, running's helped me, definitely helped my health. Well running's helped me, definitely helped my health, without a doubt. So not just physical but again, like you said, from a mental health point of view. But what advice would you give to someone starting out?

Speaker 2: 24:49

Starting out in running.

Speaker 1: 24:50

Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Well, try to enjoy the journey as much as you can. It's the first day of running, or getting started into a world that can be super intimidating, depending on what they're aware of, if they're a part of the Instagram running community or they see that online. That can be super tough. There's all this gear and all these people who are shredded and running.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Yes, yeah, there's all this gear and all these people who are shredded and running three-hour marathons.

Speaker 2: 25:19

Your running journey, the journey you're about to go on, is for you, no one else's, and everyone's journey looks a little bit different or a lot different, but I would say, try to embrace it. There's going to be lows, there's going to be days where you don't feel like running, but you do them anyway because you know that you're worth putting in that effort. There are going gonna be days where you don't feel like running, but you do them anyway because you know that you're worth putting in that effort. There are gonna be days where you come back from a run you're like hell yeah, I'm a new person, love that.

Speaker 1: 25:43

But I would say, try to enjoy the journey that's yours as much as you can it's a really good film and the name just escapes me, just popped out of my head um, on amazon prime, about this lady who's doing a marathon, the new york marathon, sort of thing, and again it's about her journey into becoming but she's not a runner, um, and she has a lot of, you know, struggles in her life and so but that was a great, great film, that kind of encapsulate encapsulate what you've just said.

Speaker 2: 26:16

So yeah, was she the nurse who had like no sponsors and got like third place?

Speaker 1: 26:23

uh no, maybe not, it's um it's basically, it's a um, it's a comedy based on a real. I think that the girl who did it. Yeah, so she had very low self-esteem, she thought she was overweight and whatever, but anyway it was good. I'll have to send you a link.

Speaker 2: 26:44

Yeah, I'd definitely like it. I'll put a link in the description anyway.

Speaker 1: 26:50

So now I thought I'd go on to the quickfire questions, which I know you do with your guests. So yeah, so, um, now I'll do. Do you have a favorite running route or race?

Speaker 2: 27:07

I. I have one to both. I have a favorite route. It's local, six miles. It's the same one, but it's quiet yeah and that for me is really important. Right now I'm in kind of a position where I like running by myself, because what it does to my brain it's like.

Speaker 2: 27:27

It's a. It's a fresh piece of paper, it's a fresh start. So I have a six mile route and it's just down to marina. Um, most of it's on the water, it's. It's beautiful. My favorite race of all time was the honolulu marathon that I did oh, yeah, that's I uh, yeah, you did just before christmas. That must have been amazing it was because I had finished my hundred miler um, which I did in october yeah of october.

Speaker 2: 27:53

Yeah, two weeks let my toes heal and then went straight into that race and I think, from the intensity that I put on myself for that ultra to then we're gonna go run in Hawaii because we love Hawaii. It's one of my favorite places in the entire planet. Yeah, to just have fun. It rekindled my love for, reminded me again of my love for movement and what it does, and that was just. You wake up, it's beautiful. I mean, I would recommend it to anyone. I'm not sponsored by them, unless you'd like me to be hawaii. You know how to reach me, but you wake up with the sunrise and there's like the hawaiian ocean, like it's. You can't. It's one of those races where it's, it's an experience, it's not amazing.

Speaker 1: 28:29

So you do, you start early morning and then yeah, okay, so you start sunrise, okay, yeah, or before sunrise, yeah before sunrise.

Speaker 2: 28:40

I think they do it that early because it gets so hot. So 5 am. This is yeah beautiful.

Speaker 1: 28:48

Um, I did ask the next question already, which was the podcast guest, but you gave, eloquently gave the answer. So, um, what one piece of advice would you give to a younger self?

Speaker 2: 29:00

I'm taking a long pause here because there's a lot of stuff that I've learned. I think I struggled a lot as a kid, just sports aside, sports and everything but I think, with self-confidence, being tall and being kind of like different, always different, because it was just, I think, knowing that you have to just trust that everything happens for a reason. There's no wrong decision, there's no right decision. If it's meant to be, it'll happen and it happens for a reason. And just lean into that, because I'm just stressing over every little thing, like, is this right, is this wrong?

Speaker 1: 29:36

So yeah, so what's next on the Epic Shit podcast? So do you have a kind of a timeline, or do you come up with different ideas, or is there something you're planning to do next year?

Speaker 2: 29:57

Yeah, so as of right now, I took two weeks off from the podcast. Just let it be. And it's also really hard to get guests on during the holidays.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Yeah, I know. So I kind of try to not push something. I know about it, tell me about it.

Speaker 2: 30:13

I know about it. Tell me about it. I don't think anything. I will continue to have guests that are inspiring Runners a lot of them tend to be. I also want to focus on sharing a bit more about the mental health side of things. I want that to be more guests coming on to talk about mental stuff. I think a lot of this year was very running focused.

Speaker 2: 30:34

I think that's what it was meant to be. Yeah, but I do want to talk more this year about the mental side of things. So I have a couple guests that I have scheduled, um, that are more in the more mindful mindful um area than like just runners, because I do think it's something to talk about area than like just runners because I do think it's something to talk about. But no, like I mentioned, it's very organic podcast, so we'll we'll see what will happen yeah, because unlike um, unlike me you, you also uh publish onto youtube as well as got the podcast.

Speaker 1: 31:08

So I tend to just do audio. I don't know, maybe it's more simpler, easier that way for me. So it.

Speaker 2: 31:16

It is you know what honestly made me do the youtube no route was my mom oh really mom was like I want to see your face ah, people I want to see your face, so can you start?

Speaker 2: 31:27

I'm like wow okay okay, sure, so that she was the kind of the seed that planted. Yeah, some people like seeing, yes, the interaction and facial experience and you know, so it's actually my mom, so people that watch the youtube it's still it's still quite small, but every every week get a new subscriber, so that's exciting. But, yeah, my mom was like I want to see your face and I think people might want to see your face.

Speaker 1: 31:51

Yeah, because I know I've maybe seen or listened to a couple at work. Fortunately, at work I can listen to tons of podcasts, so and then you listen to one of your guests, and then I think oh, what do they look? Like or you know, and then when you see them on YouTube, it's kind of like what they're saying is different, the way it comes across differently, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2: 32:15

I just there's so much unsaid with your hands and your faces and so I just thought sure we'll record. I always ask, yes, like hey, you know, don't not drink your coffee or water, we're just gonna have a conversation and we're just gonna show our faces, that's all. I think it's easier to like because I can see you, like I can play off of your social cues and so forth. So I think it's helpful when they listen to.

Speaker 1: 32:38

But yeah, so um, do you have a sporting icon, and why?

Speaker 2: 32:46

Yes, I do. I think I never really had like a player on my wall that I looked at every day, but I did try to see women that looked like me Right, blonde, tall, and it wasn't actually anyone unlike in the basketball world. I was aware of people in the basketball world, especially women's basketball, but it never really got the attention that it's getting now, which I'm so thankful. But my sporting icon was probably like um, kelly walsh, blonde. Oh, kelly walsh, all right, yeah, I think I'm saying him right, kelly wall. Very well, harry walsh, harry walsh, jennings, yep and what's her sport?

Speaker 1: 33:25

harry walsh jennings volleyball volleyball okay strong, yeah, um all yeah, uh, so who would play so?

Speaker 2: 33:36

or if there's another person who would play you in a film about you you sent these over to me that when I saw them and I was like I have no clue. Um, I think, just like I love Kate Winslet, she's one of my favorite actors of all time. Oh, okay, there's nothing like me Probably have to dye her hair blonde or whatever.

Speaker 1: 34:00

My wife, and I are watching the film about Lee Miller, the photographer, recently. You know the yeah, the photographer who is in, who is a model with Vogue and then became a photographer during the war, and an amazing story. She did that really really well. Brilliant film. I recommend seeing that.

Speaker 2: 34:25

Okay, my mother-in-law actually recommended that to me that film. So now you're the second person, so now it's going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:33

And who would you like to be stuck in the lift with? And you can't say your husband probably ronda burns.

Speaker 2: 34:42

She's a person who created the secret, the book and the movie. I'd like to speak with her. Oh okay, lift. Yeah, I think she's got some some good things that she's learned from and yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:54

All right.

Speaker 2: 34:55

She's a cool woman. She keeps it very simple.

Speaker 1: 34:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:00

Well, all I can say is you've been a fantastic guest and amazing insights into your athletic career in high school and college and whatever, and how you got into running and talking about your podcasts. I just want to say thank you very much for coming on the show Of course.

Speaker 2: 35:22

Thank you so much for having me. Your energy is so calm.

Speaker 1: 35:26

Oh really.

Speaker 2: 35:27

I feel like I'm just able to open up so much to you. So, yes, this was such a joy, so thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 35:42

That's funny because I was. Who was I talking to earlier on today? And um, oh yes, that was it. Um. I was talking to the guy around the corner because I was um sending a package and I was kind of asking um about his um you know how is he doing and whatever and then he kind of opened up to me about um, his family and his kid and it was a tragic event in his life, the sort of thing. This is where I recounted the story back to and then my, my daughter alice, said maybe you've got one of those faces where people just open up to you well, there you go, yeah so, yeah, maybe that's that's what it is.

Speaker 1: 36:17

So, um, anyway, thanks very much. Um, uh, I'll say goodbye, but and um, so we'll say goodbye and uh. Thanks very much, hannah, and uh, as I said, it's been a pleasure to have you on the podcast. Thanks very much, it was excellent.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Yeah, it was brilliant of course so what I'll do is probably maybe probably come out in a couple of weeks, so I'll let you know when it's coming out. But what I'll do is I'm going to split it into two and then sort of split it into two and then sort of fit it over two weeks and I'll kind of put links to your podcast and anything else we kind of talked about.

Speaker 2: 37:06

Yeah, of course, and I'm happy to repost, or whatever.

Speaker 1: 37:09

Oh, yeah, yeah, please do. Of course, yeah, I mean what I can do is if you I mean what I can do is I can send you some artwork um yeah, you know, so you can post it on your instagram and whatever. Thanks a lot sounds perfect.

Speaker 2: 37:24

Yeah well, thank you so much. I hope you have a good, but it's still saturday. Yeah, it's still saturday.

Speaker 1: 37:30

So, it's a six 15 here, but um, yeah, so it's 10, 15 years. So have you had a run today or do you go?

Speaker 2: 37:39

Not, not yet. Um, I'm still. I gave myself four blocks or four weeks to not train for anything, so Saturday is kind of like a go for a run, no particular training time, so no, not yet Not as rigorous.

Speaker 1: 37:53

Okay, all right, all the best, thank you.

Speaker 2: 37:57

All the best Cheers, bye-bye, bye.